Comments on: What the frak is going on with the Cap and Trade bill? http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/ Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants... Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:39:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: eric forsythe http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-95423 eric forsythe Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:59:43 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-95423 It,s sad that are news media is blinding us with michael Jackson death for a week and not sayinge anything about the cap and trade bill. Which is probally the most important bill ever wake up people. It,s sad that are news media is blinding us with michael Jackson death for a week and not sayinge anything about the cap and trade bill. Which is probally the most important bill ever wake up people.

]]> By: Doris Coffey http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-94381 Doris Coffey Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:45:48 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-94381 How can it be legal to pass a bill that has not even been printed? The next election should clear out the House and Senate, or we deserve what we are getting, and this will not longer be America. How can it be legal to pass a bill that has not even been printed? The next election should clear out the House and Senate, or we deserve what we are getting, and this will not longer be America.

]]> By: CBPercy http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93754 CBPercy Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:31:19 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93754 Having 72 hours to read a bill isn't the answer. If members of Congress can't write a piece of legislation in less than 50 pages and in plain English, then they need to go home. Let's start by asking them to define "transparency" and "accountability"....or are these "just words"? Having 72 hours to read a bill isn’t the answer.

If members of Congress can’t write a piece of legislation in less than 50 pages and in plain English, then they need to go home.

Let’s start by asking them to define “transparency” and “accountability”….or are these “just words”?

]]> By: richard http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93523 richard Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:49:17 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93523 It's amazing that our representatives keep voting against the will of most of their constituents. It is clear they do not represent the citizens anymore. Change must come from the voters. What's more amazing though is that these prostitutes (their votes are being paid for by special interests) keep getting elected! Must be the "other" 80% of the electorate. RES It’s amazing that our representatives keep voting against the will of most of their constituents.

It is clear they do not represent the citizens anymore. Change must come from the voters.

What’s more amazing though is that these prostitutes (their votes are being paid for by special interests) keep getting elected! Must be the “other” 80% of the electorate.

RES

]]> By: Bob in Texas http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93451 Bob in Texas Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:51:21 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93451 Monica, You couldn't be more wrong about what that subsection means...It means, if you meet the standards for energy efficiency set forth by the Secretary you will get a tax credit. However, the new standards will cause increases in gas, food, electricity prices that will far outway any "credit" you get. This bill will lower the standard of living, especially for the middle and lower class. This is a total scam to implement the carbon credit/offset system...By the way, Al Gore already owns a carbon credit company in Europe...He buys "carbon offsets" from himself and tells everyone he's living "carbon neutral". Well, now we will all be buying "carbon credits/offsets" just to drive and cool/heat our homes, and turn on the lights, and even BREATH. This legislation is tyrannical and will control & tax every facet of our lives all for profit. That's why they jam it through without letting anyone read it. Monica,

You couldn’t be more wrong about what that subsection means…It means, if you meet the standards for energy efficiency set forth by the Secretary you will get a tax credit. However, the new standards will cause increases in gas, food, electricity prices that will far outway any “credit” you get. This bill will lower the standard of living, especially for the middle and lower class. This is a total scam to implement the carbon credit/offset system…By the way, Al Gore already owns a carbon credit company in Europe…He buys “carbon offsets” from himself and tells everyone he’s living “carbon neutral”. Well, now we will all be buying “carbon credits/offsets” just to drive and cool/heat our homes, and turn on the lights, and even BREATH. This legislation is tyrannical and will control & tax every facet of our lives all for profit. That’s why they jam it through without letting anyone read it.

]]> By: Ryder http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93208 Ryder Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:57:30 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93208 The rules for releasing a bill to the public should NOT be a flat time (ie 72 hours). Rather it should be 0.05 days per page, and a minumum of 72 hours. A 100 page bill would require 5 days. A 1000 page bill, just under two months. This would have the effect of helping to keep a bill short and sweet, and scale the timeframe to the task at hand. RS The rules for releasing a bill to the public should NOT be a flat time (ie 72 hours). Rather it should be 0.05 days per page, and a minumum of 72 hours.

A 100 page bill would require 5 days. A 1000 page bill, just under two months.

This would have the effect of helping to keep a bill short and sweet, and scale the timeframe to the task at hand.

RS

]]> By: TexasRed http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93078 TexasRed Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:38:49 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93078 Elections have consequenses. Those millions of Americans that figured "We need something new and different and this guy speaks really well" Well you got what you damn well deserve. It's the rest of us, our kids and grandkids that now have to pay so you could feel good about Hope and Change. Elections have consequenses. Those millions of Americans that figured “We need something new and different and this guy speaks really well” Well you got what you damn well deserve. It’s the rest of us, our kids and grandkids that now have to pay so you could feel good about Hope and Change.

]]> By: srp http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93031 srp Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:52:45 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93031 Perhaps we should apply the rule Jonathan Swift had his Brobdignagians use in Gulliver's travels: No law could be more than one hundred words long. (I don't actually recall the specific number--I read it decades ago.) Perhaps we should apply the rule Jonathan Swift had his Brobdignagians use in Gulliver’s travels: No law could be more than one hundred words long. (I don’t actually recall the specific number–I read it decades ago.)

]]> By: David Claiborne http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93020 David Claiborne Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:04:56 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93020 Found via readthebill.org... I'm all for the idea of increasing requirements for transparency, but I'm so tired of people whining about how no one has time to read these bills. I read large portions of the stimulus bill before it was passed, and I'm not a Congressman with a staff of researchers and assistants, I'm just a concerned private citizen. Yes, let's make Congress more transparent and accountable to the public, but let's quit whining about how we don't have time to read the 1,200 page bill in two weeks when we're honestly too lazy to read a 5-page bill with 6 months of notice. Found via readthebill.org… I’m all for the idea of increasing requirements for transparency, but I’m so tired of people whining about how no one has time to read these bills. I read large portions of the stimulus bill before it was passed, and I’m not a Congressman with a staff of researchers and assistants, I’m just a concerned private citizen. Yes, let’s make Congress more transparent and accountable to the public, but let’s quit whining about how we don’t have time to read the 1,200 page bill in two weeks when we’re honestly too lazy to read a 5-page bill with 6 months of notice.

]]> By: concretebob http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/23/what-the-frak-is-going-on-with-the-cap-and-trade-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-93007 concretebob Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:48:22 +0000 http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/?p=9645#comment-93007 We need a Citizen Impact Study and a Consitutional Authority Study performed on each and every bill that gets written. Congress is doing a lot of things it lacks the Consitutional authority to do...i.e. the $4500 Clunker Bill. But since when has the Constitution ever stood in the way of a good pork barrel project, eh? We need a Citizen Impact Study and a Consitutional Authority Study performed on each and every bill that gets written. Congress is doing a lot of things it lacks the Consitutional authority to do…i.e. the $4500 Clunker Bill. But since when has the Constitution ever stood in the way of a good pork barrel project, eh?

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