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		<title>By: Ron Knapp</title>
		<link>http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/22/the-max-baucus-health-care-lobbyist-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-143231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impeach MAX BAUCUS, SENATOR FROM MONTANA
He is an embarrassment to the state and country!  We see where he was drunk addressing Congress.  Tries to get his girlfriend a job using his influence and friends.  
I say invite him to speak, address Congress after he drinks lunch!  Instead the Democrats have him in hidding until this HealthCare Bill is decided.

Ron Knapp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impeach MAX BAUCUS, SENATOR FROM MONTANA<br />
He is an embarrassment to the state and country!  We see where he was drunk addressing Congress.  Tries to get his girlfriend a job using his influence and friends.<br />
I say invite him to speak, address Congress after he drinks lunch!  Instead the Democrats have him in hidding until this HealthCare Bill is decided.</p>
<p>Ron Knapp</p>
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		<title>By: National_Illness</title>
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		<dc:creator>National_Illness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose,
&quot;Their profits plus administrative costs are 3-4 times the admin costs of Medicare;&quot;

Actually it&#039;s much, much worse.

We have a reimbursement platform that pays providers for 3-4% over the cost of care, called Medicare.

Private insurers slather on overhead of 30% on average, with 22% best case (Kaiser) and 50% (some Aetna lines with which I&#039;m familiar).

Turn the telescope the opposite direction.  With $1.2-1.4 trillion in private health insurance premiums, that works out to $300-450 billion year paid for absolutely no medical care.  That would pay for excellent health care for 90 million Americans - more than enough to cover all Americans as well as improve the payments to doctors and improve the coverage for those currently insured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose,<br />
&#8220;Their profits plus administrative costs are 3-4 times the admin costs of Medicare;&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually it&#8217;s much, much worse.</p>
<p>We have a reimbursement platform that pays providers for 3-4% over the cost of care, called Medicare.</p>
<p>Private insurers slather on overhead of 30% on average, with 22% best case (Kaiser) and 50% (some Aetna lines with which I&#8217;m familiar).</p>
<p>Turn the telescope the opposite direction.  With $1.2-1.4 trillion in private health insurance premiums, that works out to $300-450 billion year paid for absolutely no medical care.  That would pay for excellent health care for 90 million Americans &#8211; more than enough to cover all Americans as well as improve the payments to doctors and improve the coverage for those currently insured.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Pluriel</title>
		<link>http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/22/the-max-baucus-health-care-lobbyist-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-112393</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Pluriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Sick is right, and it is worse than that. The Baucus Bill mandates public funding of compulsory insurance (for those below a certain level of income),  without providing a genuine alternative to private health insurance. Wendell Potter (ex-CIGNA exec) explains very clearly (in the press, in congressional hearings) how the private health insurance industry works. There&#039;s no way to stop companies playing the Wall St game (which might be appropriate for some industries), but there is a way to stop insurance companies playing that game at the expense of our health and that is to have a publicly run option, that does  not funnel our tax dollars into companies whose only interest is their share prices (which depend on their &quot;loss ratios&quot;, or how little they can get away with paying for actual medical care). Their profits plus administrative costs are 3-4 times the admin costs of Medicare; not saying an entitlement programm is necessarily right for all, just that an institution that is not driven by its share price should be available to provide insurance when a significant part of that insurance is being paid for from the public purse.

Under Baucus plan costs will continue to spiral, tax payers will fund much of the spiraling, there will be no way to control deficit consequences of this, and the whole system will end up in even worse shape than it is in now...which is saying something. There is ALWAYS rationing of medical care. We need to ration it a lot more rationally than we do now, which can only be done if costs are managed.

The fact that Baucus supports a bill that by definition channels public funds to companies that give him lots of money is not, prima facie, evidence of corruption, but it is certainly evidence of a state-of-mind that seems highly inappropriate for a person who has a lot of power over what will happen to our health insurance system. He is in a lucky electoral position - a Democrat from a Republican state who gets 60% of the vote in elections. He is not likely to be punished if his plan gets through, no matter how damaging it is. The whole thing stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Sick is right, and it is worse than that. The Baucus Bill mandates public funding of compulsory insurance (for those below a certain level of income),  without providing a genuine alternative to private health insurance. Wendell Potter (ex-CIGNA exec) explains very clearly (in the press, in congressional hearings) how the private health insurance industry works. There&#8217;s no way to stop companies playing the Wall St game (which might be appropriate for some industries), but there is a way to stop insurance companies playing that game at the expense of our health and that is to have a publicly run option, that does  not funnel our tax dollars into companies whose only interest is their share prices (which depend on their &#8220;loss ratios&#8221;, or how little they can get away with paying for actual medical care). Their profits plus administrative costs are 3-4 times the admin costs of Medicare; not saying an entitlement programm is necessarily right for all, just that an institution that is not driven by its share price should be available to provide insurance when a significant part of that insurance is being paid for from the public purse.</p>
<p>Under Baucus plan costs will continue to spiral, tax payers will fund much of the spiraling, there will be no way to control deficit consequences of this, and the whole system will end up in even worse shape than it is in now&#8230;which is saying something. There is ALWAYS rationing of medical care. We need to ration it a lot more rationally than we do now, which can only be done if costs are managed.</p>
<p>The fact that Baucus supports a bill that by definition channels public funds to companies that give him lots of money is not, prima facie, evidence of corruption, but it is certainly evidence of a state-of-mind that seems highly inappropriate for a person who has a lot of power over what will happen to our health insurance system. He is in a lucky electoral position &#8211; a Democrat from a Republican state who gets 60% of the vote in elections. He is not likely to be punished if his plan gets through, no matter how damaging it is. The whole thing stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Buster Bunns</title>
		<link>http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/2009/06/22/the-max-baucus-health-care-lobbyist-complex/comment-page-1/#comment-111000</link>
		<dc:creator>Buster Bunns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before anyone gets their shorts in a twist, take look at what opensecret has listed for Harry Reid, Charles Schumer and Chris Dodds as having received.  There are few if any cleanskins in Congress on both sides of the aisle, hence the overall pandering to special interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anyone gets their shorts in a twist, take look at what opensecret has listed for Harry Reid, Charles Schumer and Chris Dodds as having received.  There are few if any cleanskins in Congress on both sides of the aisle, hence the overall pandering to special interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Pedersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this valuable study. 

I am curious about the role of the Podesta Group (http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/firmsum.php?lname=Podesta+Group&amp;year=2009), which apparently holds close ties to centrist democrats while still receiving huge amounts from big pharma. What is their position on the health care and more in particulat the public option? Which senators and congress members do they have access to?
(Full disclosure: I am writing a piece on the lobbying of Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals for Danish newspaper). Thanks again for posting this. 

Anders Pedersen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this valuable study. </p>
<p>I am curious about the role of the Podesta Group (<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/firmsum.php?lname=Podesta+Group&amp;year=2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/firmsum.php?lname=Podesta+Group&amp;year=2009</a>), which apparently holds close ties to centrist democrats while still receiving huge amounts from big pharma. What is their position on the health care and more in particulat the public option? Which senators and congress members do they have access to?<br />
(Full disclosure: I am writing a piece on the lobbying of Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals for Danish newspaper). Thanks again for posting this. </p>
<p>Anders Pedersen</p>
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		<title>By: Grateful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grateful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  This is exactly the type of information that needs to get to the soon to be disillusioned populace that voted for change.  Why is the status quo so absurdly well protected in the U.S.?  This graphic is a big part of the answer.  The dramatic shift in lobbying influence over the last 30-years has substantially hindered the potential for any meaningful change in this nation. 

The two issues at the nexus of all of the needed legislation in this nation are campaign finance reform and media consolidation.  The status quo buys the politicians and owns the media sources to keep the ignorant public misinformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  This is exactly the type of information that needs to get to the soon to be disillusioned populace that voted for change.  Why is the status quo so absurdly well protected in the U.S.?  This graphic is a big part of the answer.  The dramatic shift in lobbying influence over the last 30-years has substantially hindered the potential for any meaningful change in this nation. </p>
<p>The two issues at the nexus of all of the needed legislation in this nation are campaign finance reform and media consolidation.  The status quo buys the politicians and owns the media sources to keep the ignorant public misinformed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Sick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Sick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baucus plan amounts to give away to insurance industry.  Here&#039;s why:

The issue of preexisting conditions is only addressed by saying that the &quot;health co-ops&quot; can&#039;t exclude anyone.  So the end result will be that the co-ops go bust as the insurance companies leverage out their most sick cases and these folks get picked up by the &quot;co-op&quot;.  A year later the Republican anaylysis is that the &quot;see, the co-ops&quot; are bankrupt but look how efficient the private sector is!&quot;

People just don&#039;t realize that the insurance industry is all about removing risk and the have armies of folks working this everysecond of the day.  Sick patients are the worst risk around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baucus plan amounts to give away to insurance industry.  Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>The issue of preexisting conditions is only addressed by saying that the &#8220;health co-ops&#8221; can&#8217;t exclude anyone.  So the end result will be that the co-ops go bust as the insurance companies leverage out their most sick cases and these folks get picked up by the &#8220;co-op&#8221;.  A year later the Republican anaylysis is that the &#8220;see, the co-ops&#8221; are bankrupt but look how efficient the private sector is!&#8221;</p>
<p>People just don&#8217;t realize that the insurance industry is all about removing risk and the have armies of folks working this everysecond of the day.  Sick patients are the worst risk around.</p>
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		<title>By: Omi Cantor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omi Cantor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have emailed Senator Baucus continuously regarding his ties to the healthcare industry.  In the state of Montana there are 16% of the citizens who have no health insurance.  Do you think this has made an impact on Senator Baucus?  I don&#039;t think so!!

And who received his infamous proposal first -why K street and probably Jeff Forbes.  What a surprise!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have emailed Senator Baucus continuously regarding his ties to the healthcare industry.  In the state of Montana there are 16% of the citizens who have no health insurance.  Do you think this has made an impact on Senator Baucus?  I don&#8217;t think so!!</p>
<p>And who received his infamous proposal first -why K street and probably Jeff Forbes.  What a surprise!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chloe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chloe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terrific!  The only problem is that we don&#039;t have similar information on all the players.  More importantly, it says much that Death Panels get more attention than this.  I think there should be stats on who&#039;s funding them appearing with every politician and pundit like baseball players at bat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrific!  The only problem is that we don&#8217;t have similar information on all the players.  More importantly, it says much that Death Panels get more attention than this.  I think there should be stats on who&#8217;s funding them appearing with every politician and pundit like baseball players at bat.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this information. 

I believe those with connections like this will still be effective in doing the right thing, IF they know they are being watched closely. 

This type of work helps tremendously in that regard -- knowing who to watch on what legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this information. </p>
<p>I believe those with connections like this will still be effective in doing the right thing, IF they know they are being watched closely. </p>
<p>This type of work helps tremendously in that regard &#8212; knowing who to watch on what legislation.</p>
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